Which Plants Do Not Like Tea: Understanding Potential Plant Sensitivities
Understanding Which Plants Do Not Like Tea: A Gardener’s Guide to Potential Plant Sensitivities
Have you ever found yourself wondering, “Which plants do not like tea?” It’s a question that might not immediately spring to mind for every gardener, but for those of us who are avid tea drinkers and equally passionate about our plant companions, it’s a perfectly valid and, dare I say, crucial consideration. I remember a time when I was excitedly brewing a fresh pot of Earl Grey, contemplating the leftover brew as a potential “superfood” for my beloved tomato plants. A quick online search later, and I was met with a deluge of conflicting advice. Some swore by it, others warned against it, and I was left more confused than ever. This experience, I’ve come to realize, is quite common. The idea of using leftover tea, whether it’s a weak brew or even tea leaves, as a fertilizer or soil amendment is pervasive. However, the reality is a bit more nuanced, and understanding which plants do not like tea is essential to avoid unintended harm to your garden.
In essence, while tea can be beneficial for some plants, it’s not a universal elixir. The primary reason some plants do not like tea stems from its acidity, its caffeine content, and the potential for fungal growth if not applied correctly. Think of it this way: just as we have preferences for certain foods and beverages, plants too have their sensitivities. For some, the mild acidity of brewed tea might be a welcome addition, mimicking the conditions of their native, slightly acidic environments. For others, however, this acidity can disrupt soil pH, making it harder for them to absorb essential nutrients, or even directly damage their delicate root systems. Similarly, while a tiny amount of caffeine might be negligible, larger concentrations, or prolonged exposure, could potentially act as a growth inhibitor for certain species. So, let’s dive deeper into the fascinating, and sometimes tricky, world of tea and its impact on our green friends.
The Nuances of Tea as a Garden Amendment
Before we pinpoint specific plants that might shy away from tea, it’s important to grasp the underlying principles that govern its interaction with the soil and plant life. Tea, in its brewed form, is essentially a dilute acidic solution, and the tea leaves themselves, when decomposing, can also influence soil chemistry. The type of tea plays a role, as does the strength of the brew, and how it’s applied. Unfiltered, strong brews can have a more pronounced effect than a weak, diluted infusion.
One of the most significant factors to consider is soil pH. Most plants thrive within a specific pH range, typically between 6.0 and 7.0, which is considered neutral. Some plants, like blueberries, azaleas, and rhododendrons, are acid-loving and prefer a pH between 4.5 and 5.5. For these plants, a judicious application of diluted tea might indeed be beneficial, as it can help maintain or slightly lower the soil pH. However, for plants that prefer neutral or alkaline conditions, introducing acidic tea can be detrimental. It can lock up essential nutrients like phosphorus, calcium, and magnesium, making them unavailable for uptake by the plant’s roots. This can lead to deficiencies, stunted growth, yellowing leaves (chlorosis), and a generally unhealthy plant.
Another element often overlooked is the caffeine content. While most teas have a relatively low caffeine concentration compared to, say, coffee grounds, it’s still a factor. Caffeine is a natural insecticide and can also act as a mild herbicide. For many plants, this is not an issue, and the benefits might outweigh the drawbacks. However, for seedlings or plants with very sensitive root systems, the presence of caffeine could potentially inhibit their growth or even cause damage. It’s a bit like giving a child a strong cup of coffee; while an adult might handle it, a young one might get quite restless or upset. The same principle, in a gentler way, can apply to plants.
Furthermore, the way tea is applied is critical. Pouring undiluted, lukewarm tea directly onto the soil surface, especially around delicate seedlings, can create an environment conducive to fungal growth. This is particularly true if the tea leaves themselves are left to decompose on the surface. These damp, decaying organic materials can become breeding grounds for various fungi that can attack plant roots, leading to root rot and damping-off disease, which is especially devastating for young plants. Therefore, moderation and proper application techniques are paramount when considering using tea in the garden. Dilution is almost always key, and it’s often best to use it as a drench rather than pouring it directly onto foliage.
Plants That May Not Appreciate Tea: A Closer Look
So, which plants are more likely to fall into the “do not like tea” category? Generally, these tend to be plants that prefer neutral to alkaline soil conditions, or those with particularly sensitive root systems. It’s important to remember that these are *tendencies*, and individual plant health, soil composition, and application methods will all play a significant role. However, based on the principles of soil pH and plant sensitivities, we can identify some common garden inhabitants that might be best kept away from your tea applications.
Vegetables That Prefer Neutral to Alkaline Soil
Many of our favorite vegetables fall into the category of plants that prefer a more neutral soil pH. Over-acidifying their environment with tea can lead to a host of problems. Here are some notable examples:
- Tomatoes: While often touted as beneficiaries of tea, tomatoes actually prefer a slightly acidic to neutral pH (6.0-6.8). Too much acidity can hinder their ability to absorb calcium, leading to blossom end rot, a common and frustrating issue. My own experience has seen my tomato plants perk up with diluted compost tea, but direct, strong tea applications have sometimes led to leaf discoloration, a clear signal of stress.
- Peppers (Bell Peppers, Chili Peppers): Similar to tomatoes, peppers thrive in a pH range of 6.0-6.8. They are susceptible to nutrient deficiencies if the soil becomes too acidic, impacting fruit development and overall plant vigor.
- Cucumbers and Melons: These vining plants also prefer slightly acidic to neutral soil (6.0-7.0). Introducing acidic tea can interfere with nutrient uptake, potentially leading to reduced flowering and fruiting.
- Beans and Peas (Legumes): While legumes are known for their ability to fix nitrogen, they generally prefer a pH of 6.0-7.0. Highly acidic conditions can impact the symbiotic relationship between their roots and nitrogen-fixing bacteria, thereby reducing their natural fertilization capabilities.
- Broccoli, Cauliflower, and Cabbage (Brassicas): These vegetables generally prefer a slightly acidic to neutral pH (6.0-7.0). While they can tolerate a wider range, significantly acidic soil can lead to stunted growth and nutrient deficiencies.
- Carrots and Radishes: Root vegetables like carrots and radishes often prefer a slightly acidic to neutral pH (5.8-7.0). While they might tolerate a bit of acidity, an over-application of tea could lead to forked roots or poor development.
- Onions and Garlic: These alliums are generally not fond of overly acidic conditions and do best in a pH range of 6.0-7.0.
It’s worth noting that some gardeners use weak, cooled black tea to deter certain pests from vegetables like tomatoes and peppers. The theory is that the tannins and compounds in the tea might be unpleasant to some insects. However, this should be done with extreme caution, always diluted, and only after observing the plant’s reaction. For the average gardener seeking to improve soil fertility, using compost or other balanced organic amendments is often a safer and more reliable approach for these vegetables.
Herbs with Specific pH Preferences
Many herbs are quite forgiving, but some have more particular needs when it comes to soil pH. If you have a delicate herb garden, it’s wise to be judicious with tea applications.
- Basil: This beloved herb prefers a pH of 6.0-7.5. While it can tolerate slightly acidic conditions, strong tea could be too much.
- Oregano: While generally hardy, oregano prefers neutral to slightly alkaline soil (6.5-7.0).
- Parsley: Parsley prefers a pH of 6.0-7.0.
- Chives: Similar to onions and garlic, chives prefer a neutral pH of 6.0-7.0.
Conversely, herbs like rosemary, thyme, and lavender, which hail from Mediterranean climates, often prefer slightly alkaline conditions and well-draining soil. While they might tolerate very weak tea, it’s generally best to avoid it entirely to prevent lowering the soil pH too much for their liking.
Flowering Plants and Acid Sensitivity
Many flowering plants, especially those that produce vibrant blooms, rely on a balanced soil environment for optimal health and flowering. Some are particularly sensitive to acidic conditions.
- Petunias: These popular annuals prefer a pH of 6.0-7.0. While they can tolerate a bit of acidity, over-application of tea could lead to yellowing leaves and reduced flowering.
- Marigolds: Generally adaptable, marigolds do best in a pH of 6.0-7.0.
- Geraniums (Pelargoniums): These beloved houseplants and garden annuals prefer a pH of 6.0-6.5.
- Begonias: Begonias often prefer slightly acidic to neutral soil (5.5-7.0), but some varieties can be sensitive to drastic pH changes.
It’s important to distinguish between using tea as a soil amendment and using it for pest control. Some gardeners might sparingly use diluted tea spray on the foliage of certain plants to deter aphids, for example. This is a different application entirely and should also be done with caution, observing the plant for any signs of stress or burning on the leaves. The key is always dilution and observation.
Plants Requiring Alkaline Conditions
While acid-loving plants are well-known, there are also plants that actively prefer or require alkaline soil conditions. Introducing tea to these plants would be counterproductive and potentially harmful.
- Lavender: Originating from the Mediterranean, lavender thrives in alkaline, well-draining soil with a pH of 6.5-7.5. Tea would actively work against its preferred environment.
- Lilacs: These fragrant shrubs prefer alkaline soil, with a pH of 6.5-7.5.
- Peonies: While somewhat adaptable, peonies generally prefer a pH of 6.5-7.5 and can be sensitive to overly acidic soil.
- Clematis: Many varieties of clematis prefer a neutral to slightly alkaline soil pH (6.0-7.5).
For these plants, it’s best to stick to amendments that are pH neutral or alkaline-boosting, such as incorporating lime or ash (in moderation) into the soil, depending on your specific soil test results.
Understanding the “Why”: The Science Behind Plant Sensitivities
To truly understand which plants do not like tea, we need to delve into the scientific reasons behind these sensitivities. It all boils down to soil chemistry and plant physiology.
The pH Factor: A Delicate Balance
The pH scale measures the acidity or alkalinity of a solution, including soil. A pH of 7 is neutral. Below 7 is acidic, and above 7 is alkaline (or basic). Plants have evolved to thrive within specific pH ranges because soil pH directly affects the availability of essential nutrients. This is often referred to as nutrient lockout.
Nutrient Availability Chart (Simplified)
| Nutrient | Best Availability (pH) | Poor Availability (Low pH – Acidic) | Poor Availability (High pH – Alkaline) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Nitrogen (N) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Adequate | Adequate |
| Phosphorus (P) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Potassium (K), Calcium (Ca), Magnesium (Mg) locked up | Zinc (Zn), Manganese (Mn), Iron (Fe) locked up |
| Potassium (K) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Adequate | Adequate |
| Calcium (Ca) | 6.0 – 7.5 | Locked up by excess Iron (Fe), Manganese (Mn), Aluminum (Al) | Adequate |
| Magnesium (Mg) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Locked up by excess Iron (Fe), Manganese (Mn), Aluminum (Al) | Adequate |
| Sulfur (S) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Adequate | Adequate |
| Iron (Fe) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Readily available, but toxic in high concentrations | Locked up |
| Manganese (Mn) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Readily available, but toxic in high concentrations | Locked up |
| Zinc (Zn) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Adequate | Locked up |
| Copper (Cu) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Adequate | Locked up |
| Boron (B) | 5.0 – 6.5 | Adequate | Locked up |
| Molybdenum (Mo) | 6.0 – 7.0 | Locked up | Readily available |
As you can see from the table, when soil becomes too acidic (low pH), elements like iron, manganese, and aluminum can become more soluble and thus more available to plants. While some of these are micronutrients, in high concentrations, they can become toxic, damaging roots and interfering with nutrient uptake. More importantly for tea applications, phosphorus, calcium, and magnesium can become “locked up” and unavailable, even if they are present in the soil. This can lead to deficiencies in these vital macronutrients, impacting everything from cell development to fruit production.
On the flip side, in alkaline soils (high pH), nutrients like phosphorus, iron, manganese, zinc, and copper become less soluble and thus unavailable to plants. This is why acid-loving plants, which are adapted to extract these nutrients in more acidic conditions, suffer in alkaline soil. Conversely, if you introduce something acidic like tea to plants that prefer neutral or alkaline conditions, you risk creating a similar nutrient lockout, just from the other end of the pH spectrum.
Caffeine’s Role: A Natural Defense Mechanism
Caffeine is a naturally occurring stimulant found in many plants, including tea leaves. It acts as a natural insecticide, deterring pests from feeding on the plant. When you brew tea, some of this caffeine is extracted into the water. While the concentration in a typical cup of tea is low, it’s worth considering its potential impact on sensitive plants.
For seedlings and young plants, whose root systems are still developing and are generally more vulnerable, even small amounts of caffeine could potentially inhibit root growth or germination. Some research even suggests that caffeine can act as an allelopathic compound, meaning it can inhibit the growth of neighboring plants. While this is more commonly studied in the context of wild plants competing for resources, the principle of a plant releasing chemicals that affect others is relevant.
Furthermore, some studies have explored the use of brewed tea as a natural herbicide. While this is a niche application and would likely require concentrated brews, it highlights the potential of caffeine and other tea compounds to interfere with plant growth processes. For the average gardener, this means that if you’re using strong, undiluted tea, or applying it frequently to sensitive plants, you might inadvertently be hindering their development rather than helping it.
Fungal Friend or Foe: The Importance of Application
The leaves of tea plants, like any organic matter, will decompose. When brewed tea is applied to the soil, especially if the leaves are left to sit on the surface, it creates a moist environment. If this environment is not managed properly, it can become an ideal breeding ground for fungi. Many common soil fungi are beneficial, breaking down organic matter and making nutrients available. However, some can be pathogenic, meaning they cause disease.
Damping-off disease, caused by fungi like *Pythium* and *Rhizoctonia*, is particularly devastating to seedlings. It causes the stem to rot at the soil line, leading to the seedling collapsing and dying. A consistently damp soil surface, potentially exacerbated by the sugars and other compounds in brewed tea, can encourage these pathogens. This is why proper watering techniques – watering the soil, not the leaves, and allowing the soil surface to dry slightly between waterings – are so crucial. When using tea as a soil drench, it’s imperative to ensure good drainage and to avoid waterlogged conditions.
My own gardening mishaps have taught me that even seemingly benign organic materials can cause problems if not used thoughtfully. I once tried using leftover coffee grounds directly on my houseplants, only to find them covered in mold within a week. The principle applies to tea as well: respect the material, understand its potential, and apply it with care.
Best Practices for Using Tea in the Garden (For Plants That *Do* Like It)
Given that not all plants like tea, and that improper application can cause harm, it’s crucial to establish some best practices. The goal is to harness the potential benefits of tea while mitigating the risks.
1. Know Your Plants and Their Preferences
This is the absolute cornerstone. Before you even think about pouring tea on your plants, understand their preferred soil pH and their general tolerance for acidity. Acid-loving plants like blueberries, azaleas, rhododendrons, and hydrangeas (though hydrangeas’ color is pH-dependent) are prime candidates for very diluted tea applications. If you’re unsure about a plant’s preference, err on the side of caution and avoid tea altogether, or conduct a small-scale test.
2. Dilution is Key
Never use brewed tea at full strength. A common recommendation for diluted tea is a 1:1 ratio of brewed tea to water, or even weaker (e.g., 1 part tea to 3 or 4 parts water). This significantly reduces the acidity and the concentration of caffeine, making it much safer for a broader range of plants. Think of it as a mild supplement, not a potent fertilizer.
3. Use Cooled, Weak Brews
Strong, hot tea will shock plant roots. Always ensure your tea has cooled to room temperature or below before applying it to the soil. Weak brews, like the leftover liquid from a teapot after a cup has been poured, are generally much safer than a freshly brewed, strong pot.
4. Apply to the Soil, Not the Foliage (Mostly)
When using tea as a soil amendment or a mild fertilizer, always apply it directly to the soil around the base of the plant. Avoid spraying it on the leaves, as this can increase the risk of leaf burn or fungal growth, especially if the tea is not heavily diluted. If you’re experimenting with tea for pest deterrence, a very heavily diluted spray might be used, but always test on a small area first and observe for adverse reactions.
5. Avoid Tea with Milk, Sugar, or Other Additives
Plain, unadulterated tea is best. Milk can curdle and create an unpleasant smell and potentially encourage bacterial growth. Sugar can attract pests and also promote fungal growth. Stick to plain black, green, or herbal teas.
6. Consider Using Tea Leaves (With Caution)
Some gardeners use the actual tea leaves as a soil amendment. If you choose to do this, it’s best to fully compost them first. Uncomposted tea leaves left on the soil surface can mat down, preventing water and air penetration, and can also encourage mold. If you do add them directly, do so sparingly and mix them into the soil rather than leaving them as a thick layer.
7. Observe Your Plants
This is perhaps the most crucial piece of advice. After applying diluted tea, keep a close eye on your plants. Look for any signs of distress: yellowing leaves, wilting, stunted growth, or leaf spots. If you notice any negative reactions, discontinue use immediately. Conversely, if you see improved vigor and health, you’re likely on the right track for that particular plant and application.
8. Soil Testing is Your Friend
The most accurate way to understand your soil and its needs is through a soil test. A professional soil test will provide you with information about your soil’s pH, as well as its levels of essential nutrients. Armed with this knowledge, you can make much more informed decisions about amendments, including whether tea is appropriate at all.
Frequently Asked Questions About Tea and Plants
Let’s address some common questions that often arise when gardeners consider using tea in their plant care routines.
How does tea affect soil pH?
Brewed tea is generally acidic, meaning it can lower the soil pH. The degree to which it lowers the pH depends on the type of tea, the strength of the brew, and how frequently it is applied. Black tea and green tea, derived from the *Camellia sinensis* plant, tend to be more acidic than many herbal teas. When tea is brewed, tannins and other organic acids are extracted into the water. Over time, repeated applications of acidic tea can shift the soil pH towards a more acidic range. This can be beneficial for acid-loving plants but detrimental for those that prefer neutral or alkaline conditions. It’s important to remember that soil pH is also influenced by the native soil type, rainfall, and other amendments. Therefore, the effect of tea alone might be subtle unless applied in large quantities or very frequently.
The mechanism by which tea affects pH is through the introduction of acidic compounds. These compounds interact with the soil’s cation exchange capacity (CEC), effectively releasing hydrogen ions (H+) and increasing the soil’s acidity. While a single, heavily diluted application might have a negligible impact on a large volume of soil, consistent use can lead to a noticeable shift. For gardeners aiming to maintain a specific pH for their plants, monitoring the soil pH regularly with a reliable pH meter or through soil testing is advisable. If you notice the pH dropping below your plants’ ideal range after using tea, it’s a clear indication to reduce or cease its use.
Can I use leftover tea leaves as fertilizer?
Using leftover tea leaves can be a mixed bag. On their own, tea leaves are a source of organic matter and can contribute some nutrients, such as nitrogen, as they decompose. However, applying them directly to the soil surface, especially in thick layers, is generally not recommended. As mentioned earlier, they can form a mat that impedes water and air circulation. Furthermore, uncomposted organic matter can sometimes tie up nitrogen from the soil as microbes work to break it down, temporarily depriving plants of this essential nutrient. This is particularly true for high-carbon materials, though tea leaves are not as high in carbon as, say, wood chips.
The best approach for using tea leaves is to compost them first. Composting breaks down the leaves, neutralizes most of the acidity, and releases nutrients in a more readily available form for plants. Once composted, they can be incorporated into the soil as a rich, beneficial amendment. If you are determined to use them directly, do so very sparingly, and always mix them into the top few inches of soil to facilitate decomposition and prevent matting. It’s also wise to avoid this practice for seedlings or plants that are known to be sensitive to soil conditions.
What is the best way to apply tea to plants that tolerate it?
For plants that you’ve determined can benefit from or tolerate diluted tea, the application method is crucial for maximizing benefits and minimizing risks. As a general rule, always dilute your brewed tea. A common starting point is a 1:1 ratio of cooled, brewed tea to water, or even a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio for more sensitive plants or those that aren’t strongly acid-loving. Think of it as a gentle boost rather than a heavy feeding.
The best time to apply is typically when you would normally water your plants. Water the soil directly around the base of the plant, ensuring that the liquid is absorbed into the root zone. Avoid drenching the foliage, as this can increase the risk of fungal diseases. It’s also advisable to apply tea in the morning or early evening, allowing the soil to absorb the moisture and nutrients before the heat of the day or the coolness of the night. Avoid applying tea to plants that are already stressed by drought or extreme heat, as this can exacerbate their condition. A consistent, but not excessive, application schedule is usually more effective than infrequent, heavy doses.
Consider the type of tea as well. While black and green teas are common, some herbal teas might offer different benefits or have different acidity levels. For instance, chamomile tea is often considered gentle and might be a safer option for a broader range of plants. However, always assume some level of acidity and dilute accordingly. The key takeaway is to treat tea as a mild, supplemental treatment, not a primary fertilizer or a guaranteed plant tonic.
Are there any benefits of using tea on plants?
Yes, there can be benefits, but they are often conditional. For acid-loving plants, such as blueberries, azaleas, rhododendrons, and hydrangeas, a diluted tea application can help maintain or slightly lower soil pH, which is essential for their optimal nutrient uptake. The organic compounds and tannins present in tea can also act as mild stimulants for soil microbial activity, which in turn can improve soil structure and nutrient availability over time. Some gardeners have also reported anecdotal evidence of tea acting as a mild deterrent to certain pests, although this is not a scientifically established or guaranteed effect for all plant-pest combinations.
Additionally, brewed tea contains trace amounts of nitrogen and other minerals, which can provide a very mild nutrient boost. However, it’s important to manage expectations; tea is not a complete fertilizer and should not be relied upon as a primary source of nutrition for your plants. Its primary impact is often on soil pH and its potential to stimulate beneficial soil organisms. For example, some research has explored the use of tea extracts in agriculture to improve plant growth and disease resistance, but this is typically in a controlled, scientific context with specific formulations and application rates.
The real “benefit” often comes from careful observation and understanding of your specific garden environment. If you have an acid soil that’s challenging for some plants, and you find that diluted tea helps them thrive, then it’s a beneficial practice for your context. However, if your soil is already neutral or alkaline, or if your plants prefer those conditions, the “benefits” of tea are likely to be overshadowed by potential harm.
How can I tell if my plant is sensitive to tea?
Observing your plants for signs of stress is the most effective way to determine if they are sensitive to tea applications. Look out for a range of symptoms that indicate the plant is not responding well to the treatment. These can include:
- Leaf Discoloration: Yellowing leaves (chlorosis) are a common sign, particularly if the yellowing occurs between the veins while the veins remain green. This can indicate nutrient deficiencies, often caused by impaired nutrient uptake due to altered soil pH. In some cases, the leaves might develop brown, crispy edges or spots, which could suggest leaf burn from overly acidic or concentrated tea.
- Stunted Growth: If you notice that your plants are not growing as vigorously as they should, or if new growth appears stunted or malformed after you’ve applied tea, it’s a red flag. This could mean that the plant’s metabolic processes are being hindered by the altered soil conditions or the presence of compounds like caffeine.
- Wilting: While wilting is often associated with lack of water, it can also occur if the plant’s root system is damaged or if it’s struggling to absorb water and nutrients due to stressed soil conditions. If a plant wilts shortly after a tea application, and the soil is adequately moist, the tea might be the culprit.
- Reduced Flowering or Fruiting: For flowering plants and vegetables, a decrease in the number or quality of blooms and fruits can be an indirect sign that the plant is under stress. If you’ve been applying tea, and your plants are suddenly producing fewer flowers or developing problems like blossom end rot (in tomatoes), it’s worth considering the tea application as a contributing factor.
- Development of Fungal Issues: While not directly caused by the tea itself, if you notice an increase in fungal growth on the soil surface, or signs of damping-off on seedlings, after using tea, it might indicate that the application methods are creating an environment conducive to fungal proliferation.
It’s crucial to isolate variables when diagnosing plant problems. If you’ve introduced other new products or changed watering habits around the same time as the tea application, it can be harder to pinpoint the exact cause. However, if these symptoms appear consistently after tea applications, and especially if they disappear when you stop using tea, then you have a strong indication that your plants are sensitive to it. A small-scale test on one or two plants can be a good way to gauge sensitivity before applying it more broadly.
Concluding Thoughts on Tea and Your Garden
Navigating the world of garden amendments can sometimes feel like a labyrinth, and the topic of tea is no exception. While the idea of repurposing a beloved beverage into a garden tonic is appealing, it’s essential to approach it with knowledge and caution. Understanding which plants do not like tea is not about discouraging resourcefulness; it’s about fostering a deeper connection with our plants and providing them with the precise care they need to thrive. By considering soil pH, potential sensitivities to compounds like caffeine, and the importance of proper application, we can make informed decisions that benefit our gardens. So, the next time you’re enjoying a cup of tea, you can appreciate it not just for its warmth and flavor, but also for the potential it holds – to nurture some plants and to be thoughtfully set aside for others.